In this episode of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast, hosts Sean and Marco are joined by guests Steve Luczynski and Lillian Ash Baker to discuss the Aerospace Village 2023 at DEF CON during Hacker Summer Camp in Las Vegas, exploring cybersecurity in the aviation and space sector.
Guests:
Steve Luczynski, Senior Manager / Critical Infrastructure Security, Accenture Federal Services [@Accenture] and Chairman of the Board for the Aerospace Village [@secureaerospace]
On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/steveluczynski/
On Twitter | https://twitter.com/cyberpilot22
Lillian Ash Baker, Product Security Engineer, Boeing and Call for Papers Organizer for the Aerospace Village [@secureaerospace]
On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/zap-bang/
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Hosts:
Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]
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Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast
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Episode Notes
In this episode of the ITSPmagazine podcast, hosts Sean and Marco are joined by guests Steve Luczynski and Lillian Ash Baker to discuss the Aerospace Village 2023 at DEF CON during Hacker Summer Camp in Las Vegas. The conversation highlights the diverse range of topics covered in the village, including CubeSat resilience, ransomware resilience, and attack chains for low orbit satellites.
The guests emphasize the involvement of government agencies like the White House and TSA, as well as industry giants like Boeing and Lockheed. The hosts express their excitement for the hands-on activities at the village, such as capture the flag events, and the opportunity to learn from experts in the field.
They also discuss the importance of inspiring and promoting cybersecurity in the aviation and space sector, particularly for students and newcomers. The presence of SpaceX and their partnership with the village is highlighted as well. Listen to get a comprehensive overview of the Aerospace Village, showcasing the intersection of cybersecurity, aviation, and space, and the opportunity for attendees to engage with experts and participate in hands-on activities.
The conversation also take a trip down memory lane, looking at the history of the village and its evolution over the years, highlighting the increasing number of submissions and the involvement of government agencies. The guests discuss their respective roles in the village and share their perspectives on the importance of cybersecurity in the aerospace industry. The hosts express their enthusiasm for the presentations and the chance to connect with professionals in the field. They also reflect on the growth and impact of the village, noting the increasing interest and participation from students and researchers.
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Sean Martin: Marco,
Marco Ciappelli: Sean,
Sean Martin: I'm feeling the uFGs.
Marco Ciappelli: You have no idea how much more scaring and frightful is to have you start a podcast because I had no idea where you go. You have
Sean Martin: no idea where UFG is? I didn't, I didn't until a moment ago. The unidentified flying guests. We have two guests
Marco Ciappelli: on today. See, and I'm supposed to read your bright mind.
You're supposed
Steve Luczynski: to read my mind. I was wondering where you were going with that. Yeah.
Marco Ciappelli: Keep wondering. Oh, man. Let's bring it back. Let's bring it back home.
Sean Martin: Let's start again. No, no, no, no. But not really. We're already launched. Can't start over.
Here we are. We're on a serious note. We're on, on the road. To Las Vegas, uh, Hacker Summer Camp is upon us. There's a lot going on, uh, for the whole week. Black Hat, DEF CON, Diane Initiative, uh, Girls Who Hack, Black Girls Hack. You know, tons of stuff going on. And, uh, researchers, government, policy makers.
Companies are all there, right? Uh, taking a look at what's going on. And, uh, this is a topic I love. Marco, I mean, we've, we've been talking about it quite a bit over the last couple months. We actually just finished a session, uh, with, uh, Johannes talking about, uh, LEO, the Low Earth Orbit, uh, satellites. And, uh, really cool talk he's got going at DEF CON.
Um, I'm excited to, uh, Talk about the Aerospace Village today.
Marco Ciappelli: Absolutely. It's kind of like going home. I know. It's honestly, it's like, oh, there is a podcast. Do I need to get prepared here? No, I know. I know these guys. I've been, I've been there. I know you, I know you. I know you and, and by you, I mean our friend Steve, and which brought, uh, another person that works at the Aerospace Village.
And I heard she, she does a lot, Lilian. And, uh... Just a little. Just a little. Just a little. We'll learn. We'll learn more. We're here to learn.
Steve Luczynski: Just once a year. Just a little.
Lillian Ash Baker: Just a little once a year.
Marco Ciappelli: I'm sure. I'm sure it's just a little, but the goal here is to actually, yes, show and tell if they're watching the video.
Hi. We're here. If you're listening. We're still here as well. And, um, yeah, we're going to talk about the aerospace village, which is to be honest, one of, uh, one of my favorite, cause I like space. I like to have space around me, literally. So Sean, you're excited to get the
thing.
Sean Martin: I like safe space. So, uh, I'm all about that.
So, I mean, yeah, before we get into it though. Somebody, somebody has been on the show quite a bit, so, uh, chances are you've heard him on the show, but we still want to know who you are, Steve, for those that are joining you, because we had, like I said, we've talked a lot about, uh, aerospace and space, uh, and I'm certain we have a new audience that have not met you virtually yet.
So, uh, introduce yourself and, uh, then hopefully they get to meet you in person in Vegas.
Steve Luczynski: Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you again. And you're right. I hope I look back on it. I feel like it's always the first time of wanting to come in and looking forward to the discussion and wanting to And I'm like, wait a minute.
I've done this before. Like you said, like, hey, these are my friends. So this is awesome. Thank you. And, and, uh, so my brief introduction, then I'm going to pass it over to Lillian, uh, Steve, I've been with the village, uh, early on helping out in the beginning. And then, uh, I've had different roles from the executive director, uh, to where I'm doing now is the board chairman.
So running the nonprofit side of things. Helping to make the connections and support the work that Lillian and others are doing when they are putting on events. And I came, came to this role in my time in the Air Force flying. So as a pilot, having that interest from the flying side. I got into aviation cyber security and I worked at the Pentagon and I escaped there by retiring and I stayed in the cyber security community as a chief information security officer.
I worked briefly for the cyber security infrastructure security agency during cobit. And now I'm at Accenture federal services and working on critical infrastructure security, but I really enjoy. Is all the time I get to spend with folks like Lillian in the village as a volunteer, and that's why I'm glad she's here today.
So Lillian, I'm gonna pass it over to you. She's one of our awesome volunteers, and she'll tell you about what she's doing.
Lillian Ash Baker: Yeah, as Steve had so eloquently said, I'm Lillian Ashbaker. I'm one of the volunteers at the aerospace village. I run the call for presentations. Program at the village. So whenever somebody wants to do a presentation or has something that they want to come show and talk about comes through, through me, then we all discuss it within the village in order to determine if it's something that we want to bring.
And then I put together the whole entire schedule and, uh, run the madness for, for three days. Uh, this is the third year I've done this.
Steve Luczynski: She makes it sound so simple.
Marco Ciappelli: I just, I know, I just, I just wake up in the morning and
Steve Luczynski: I deal with all your people and all your good ideas and then it just, it just shows up.
Lillian Ash Baker: It's real easy when you can just say, yes, we can do that. Steve, it's no problem.
Steve Luczynski: And I know that's why it's not easy because I'm the one contributing to all of that.
Lillian Ash Baker: Yeah, so what is
Marco Ciappelli: all of that? What is all of that?
Lillian Ash Baker: Yeah, we want all of that. So this year at the village, we have hack asset is going to be giving a briefing once a day for an hour.
So they're taking up a little bit of our time in the village, but we have a total of 18 talks. In the village quick numbers, six of them space themed, seven of them air themed, one of them for ground systems. That's a presenter from TSA talking about the screen equipment security. And then four kind of more focused on the policy side of things.
Um. Yeah. So we have everything from, uh, talk on secure micro patching on the ISS. Uh, something that you really want to think about how they do software updates, uh, over the air to the ISS. Um, everything down to talking about CubeSat resilience to threat modeling, uh, to Steve doing a fireside chat with the.
TSA administrator.
Steve Luczynski: Yeah. So the, I want to make sure we don't go too far. Is the, so I hang out on the nonprofit side. Lillian knows what's going on. So bear with me while I ask questions like a host, but I want to make sure the hack a sat is that I think we have those opening each day. The one hour talks you talked, you mentioned, right?
So they're kind of kicking off our day of presentations because of what they have going on. Yep.
Lillian Ash Baker: So they'll give a one hour briefing of what's going on in the HackASAT competition, what happened the day before. On Sunday, they're going to be giving a, uh, their award ceremony in the village.
Steve Luczynski: Yeah, so that for Sean and Marco, you said you just spoke with that team, right?
So you already have some background, but... The, the short, the short, the short summary for this crowd, if they're not seeing both, which who's not watching all your podcast, just in case, uh, this is the fourth year of Hack A Sat. It's our fifth year of the village. So it's our anniversary. We're excited about that.
Uh, coming back to DEF CON. It's the fourth year of HackASAT, and more importantly, it's their finals with an on orbit CubeSat. So, everything that Lillian talked about of the space talks we have, uh, the fact that it, there's talks specifically about CubeSat and HackASAT talking, there's talks about CubeSats, there's talks about ground control segment security.
We're gonna have a CubeSat there because of Cal Poly bringing one in. And if you really want to get into more things about ground stations and communications, we're going to have SpaceX with a table there with one of their ground stations. Um, and we think we're going to have an engine in a spacesuit.
We're working on the logistics. So, so yeah, just a couple of other things wrapped in that, that reminded me when you said that, uh, anyway, back over to Lillian. Yeah.
Marco Ciappelli: Back over to you.
Lillian Ash Baker: Yeah. So any questions about our, our presentation lineup that we have?
Marco Ciappelli: Um, loads. Yeah, I think I think we do. And I'm gonna have Sean go with that.
Sean Martin: So, uh, I want to hone in on the zoot suit. You're going to be hacking. No, I'm just kidding. So I want to I want to highlight the, uh, the, uh, hack us at and the in the Moonlighter. So I had a chance to speak with Logan, Jason and Aaron and And I mean, talk about preparation for this event and things like this, you do all year long.
It's not just at Hacker Summer Camp. Uh, but they actually launched for real a few months back in preparation for this event so that it could be hacked, a satellite in orbit. And, uh, I mean, it's really cool. And I, I think the question I have for you coming from that, because... That was one conversation. We had another one this morning, looking at low, low earth orbit satellites.
That there seems to be more on this topic of, of the aerospace and, and, uh, protecting all of the pieces and parts that, that make it all a run. Uh, so I'm wondering Lillian, to you, the. The types of submissions. I don't know how, how long you've been involved, but are there just a ton more submissions coming through and, and what are the topics like?
Are they, are they deepening? Are they broadening with the people that are submitting them? Are they researchers? Are they with companies like sharing their ideas and thoughts now?
Lillian Ash Baker: Yeah. So this is the third year that I've done, uh, all the talk proposal preparation. Uh, for the village. So this year has probably some of the most CubeSat, uh, centric stuff.
About two years ago, it was very heavily more on like drones. A few years ago, um, this year. So we have one about ransomware resilience and CubeSats. Um, there's another one talking about, um, the attack chains for different low Earth orbits. Uh, we also have, um, a team from the White House National Cybersecurity Directive, um, coming in to speak on what the White House is saying with regards to low Earth, uh, orbit satellites and how that's going to be affecting.
the future. So it's not just a company or a couple of researchers, but it's also government coming in and talking about this.
Steve Luczynski: Yeah. And I'll, I'll add in the, uh, the folks from the office of the national cyber director, their work also with the national space council. So they have that experience to share with us, like what Lillian was saying, but they're also bringing in the elements from earlier this year, the national cyber strategy that was cyber security strategy, and.
Today, the National Strategy for the Cyber Workforce, so we've been working with them, the village, and our representatives, working with them throughout the year, connecting with them, and then now having them also talk about that workforce, not just for all cyber security, but the specifics when it comes to aviation and space because of the growth.
Because of the shortages, because of the need, the interest that people have this, like, Defcon is such a perfect bringing all those together and having these conversations and the things that Lillian talked about, like having that all in one place. You know,
Marco Ciappelli: I want to take this opportunity because before we start recording, we were saying, you know, it feels like we're, we've done this so many times that we almost repeat ourself, but it's not really true because I remember the first year, the second year of, of the village, and I remember where it was a big success, the fact that there were people from The White House actually walking through DEF CON for the first time and connecting.
And so these conversations that are happening now, this seems like, yeah, you know, just wake up in the morning, call a few people in Washington and, you know, I bring them to DEF CON. It wasn't always like that, right? So can we take maybe a couple of minutes to kind of like, you know, Um walk back in memory lane and and and the beginning of this like that That need that was there to have this conversation and a place to have it So maybe both of you can can brings your perspective on it
Steve Luczynski: Yeah, you bet lily.
I'll start off just based on kind of village history perspective I can throw out Um, you're right. I definitely when you, especially when you put it that way, it's like, Oh, wait a minute. Yeah, let's brag about, uh, what this group has done and what this group has been a part of and hopefully help spur some of those actions.
2019 is when we had the first aviation village and that came from efforts of, uh, for folks who may recall back in 14 and 15 different media articles. claims about things being done with both aviation and space assets. Um, what, what was written versus what happened, what was talked, just all these different things.
And I know what I saw working in government and on the military side of what was going on behind the scenes. A lot of that was not talked about publicly. And so as that changed and you had things like the Atlantic Council report about aviation, cyber security and the acknowledgement There are things going on that we should talk about and we should talk about it in a way to make sure people know This is why things are safe and secure and where it isn't This is why you can still trust those systems because you got smart people working on it in the background and I think Lillian some of your perspective from Work that you've done in the past, uh, maybe able to add into that.
Lillian Ash Baker: Yeah. So, um, you know, my work for the aerospace village is work that I do at night. My day job is with a major aerospace airframe manufacturer. Prior to that, I was at a aerospace supplier for 15 years working on avionics. So, you know, with all of, The different speakers that come from the aerospace village and come to talk about this research that they've done.
It really spurs on people who are interested, who might be working in the industry that want to learn more about, uh, cybersecurity within that sector. Because it's not something that you talk about every day. And that's something that I had learned about in my day job. Um, was that, you know, we're building.
safe, uh, pieces of electronics every day to put onto civil aviation aircraft. It's not really talked about every day about what cybersecurity looks like for those aircrafts. Um, but there are people that work on those, right? And so I wanted to get more involved in that aspect of it. And I think a lot more people in cybersecurity want to learn more about what that means, what it means to.
Build a, uh, a box that is safety critical or a function or system that is safety critical, uh, for civil applications. And so by bringing in a lot of the government agencies that, um, white House or um, T s a or even, um, um, the critical, or, yeah, csa. Csa. Yep. That brings a lot more light into these areas that people can start to see that, Hey, the government starting to talk about this, we can start talking about this and now it's not just something that we have to whisper about in the.
Steve Luczynski: And which spurs the thought, one of the talks that we'll, we'll have is. Five year retrospective. So, you know, taking that history that I started describing and what I saw, what I saw from the government side, the military side, what Lillian saw from the industry side, those are the things that we saw early on in the village.
And there was some hesitation of what are you all doing? And what, what kind of claims are going to be made and gotchas, just all these worries that different entities, private sector, government, all of them had concerns and then the work that was done to overcome those. And so, to go back to what you started with, Sean, or Marco, the idea of, well, that's what we did back then.
What are we doing now? Now, when we're asking folks, please come in and talk. The beauty is Lillian has a hard time because there's lots of submissions and having to sort through and figure out what to go, what to bring on stage. The fact that we can say, hey, we've got some smart folks from the Office of the National Cyber Director, the TSA administrator, um, all the different industry, the companies, big companies that you're going to recognize the names of that are our partners, either speaking or bringing in activities.
Um, to small companies that are doing very, uh, little, little niche work, but incredibly important and the impact it has and who they work with and where, oh yeah, that's part of what's in space operations or aviation. Um, so it is, it is a good reminder of holy cow. Yeah. Look what we were doing now that we never in a million years would have thought of five years ago.
And that's. That's the fun part of having this retrospective and seeing that evolution over time. Yeah, and
Lillian Ash Baker: one thing that we're trying to engage more of, at least it's my, my personal goal, is to start engaging more of the academic side of research in order to get a lot more students, um, either in their undergrads or graduate programs in order to come speak about the research that they're working on.
Steve Luczynski: And we have one of those talks from Cal Poly. We do.
Sean Martin: I love it. And I think the, you, you kind of led me there, both of you, uh, to where I wanted to go and I'll, so I'll kind of spin it a little bit, um, because I'll call it a full stack, uh, uh, village where there's a lot going on. Right. So people who are familiar with.
Defcon know that there's a very strong hacking community. Um, and you, you feed that group really well with hands on, uh, simulations and devices and And, uh, engagement with folks during sessions. Um, but then all the way up to policy, uh, for the government. So I don't know if you can kind of paint that picture of what the hands on stuff is, because they're not separate.
Yes. Different people have their own role to play, but what I've seen you do in the last few years is really pull that together in a, in a way that they all connect and then, yeah,
Steve Luczynski: absolutely. Um, so I'm going to throw out our theme, uh, our mission, uh, because it's, it's what drives how we put it together.
And it's, and it hopefully it helps the audience understand and, uh, build, inspire, promote. It's that easy. The idea is building the relationships between government industry and security researchers. So when we say. Uh, you heard Lillian talk about. We've got, you know, these high level government officials that are speaking that are willing to come in and talk with us all the way down.
And, you know, the policy and government side of things so that the hacker community can learn what's going on and appreciate it. They may not want to join in or some of them go. Yeah, I want to take my technical expertise and go help whatever it is. That's a great connection. And just understanding the inspire part is Inspiring people who want to get into cyber security.
They're at DEF CON, they're probably interested in it. Some of them are old hand veterans, but they've never done something in the aviation or space sector. How do I do that? Some of them are brand new and and yeah, we want to help get them into the aviation and space sector. They're the next leaders after Lillian retires and and I'm still trying to figure out how to do things on the computer.
And you know, they're gonna lead the way, um, and it's just promoting the work that people are doing. Like, I will brag about Lillian. Because I'm not the technical guy, uh, but what she's doing is the hands on research to figure out and make the boxes safe and others like her, whether they're in our village because of the, the, uh, diverse group of background and volunteers that we have, or the guests that we bring in who are super technical and they're giving those talks.
And then, uh, so those things with our mission drive, yeah. That variety of talks it drives when, uh, we're we have activities. So, uh, I'll I'm gonna I'm gonna throw out some of those and hopefully that builds on the picture and shameless promotion. So thank you again for, uh, given the time there. But when we have partners names, you know, right?
You're Boeing, you're Lockheed. They are coming in. They are bringing their experts. They are putting on capture the flags. Some of them are super simple, simple, relatively simple. We call it crawl, walk, run. So more of the crawl stage for the folks who are coming in. They want to get hands on. They want to learn cyber security and they, they do it with an aviation and space approach to it to more complex capture the flags in that run mentality.
Very complicated, very detailed because they're bringing in experts who can talk across all of that. The Aviation ISAC is hosting a Capture the Flag created by and run by students from Embry Riddle. So again, that student element that's in there, uh, smaller companies you may not have heard of, but you should know about them.
CT Cubed, Intelligenesis, Pentest Partners, they're bringing in hands on, uh, again, Capture the Flag activities, expertise from, Talking about vehicles all the way to the runway lighting and the critical, the industrial control systems that run it space X. I mentioned them before. You may have heard of them.
Uh, they'll be there and we're happy to partner up with them. We partnered up with blue origin last year. So being able to bring space X in this year is great. We have an aircraft, an Airbus cockpit simulator. Showing electronic flight bags, the iPads that a pilot uses. And how problems with that affects what they're doing in the airplane.
Um, a demonstration of drone technology. Um, I mentioned a CubeSat that we're going to bring in. And on top of all of that, if you just want to hang, not only can you do those things and ask me anything. So the whole idea is in these villages, you can get up close and talk to the experts. You can get to talk to the folks coming off the stage and, you know, a smaller area and hear their talks.
Thank you. But also, if you want to sit down and talk to somebody, and we're going to have a range of volunteers, it could be somebody from NASA, it could be somebody from TSA, it could be somebody that is a security researcher, and they're just, that's their interest is drone technology, but they can talk to you about why did they get into where they are in cyber, and engineering, and government, and private sector, and Um, and they can talk to somebody who's been in it a while that wants to transition over or somebody brand new.
That's like, I don't know where to start. What can I do? Um, and so though that again, when you kind of think about our mission, hopefully, it makes sense to go. That's why they have such a variety. And that's Our audience is across all of those capabilities and all those experiences. And, um, I get a little bit excited talking about it.
Once again, I realized this is why I like coming on here so much and rambling, but I appreciate your attention and patience.
Lillian Ash Baker: I will point out that there's one other activity that you missed. And it's always popular bricks in the air.
Steve Luczynski: Yes, holy cow, that's, that's ours for crying out loud. I can't believe it, please, Lillian.
What is that? Make sure everybody knows. I can't believe I forgot it.
Lillian Ash Baker: Um, so it's, it's a little guided hacking activity with a Lego. Model aircraft off to the side that as you work through different parts of the guided exercises, it triggers different behaviors of the aircraft. So it makes some of the propellers spin or one of them will spin out a different rate.
Lights turn on and off, um, a whole bunch of different little things. So it's, it's really great way to get started, uh, to learn, to get interested, um, and also bring your kids and, and see some Legos there.
Steve Luczynski: Bring your laptop, bring the kids. It's guided. Yes, totally. Thank you. I can't believe. Dan's not gonna let me forget about that forgetting that one.
Marco Ciappelli: So I don't know at this point How can somebody be there in Las Vegas and not be tempted to come in I mean unless really unless you really hate aerospace You have to come because there is so much going on. I don't know
Sean Martin: if actually chances are you You took a plane to get
Steve Luczynski: absolutely want to sit in some airplane seats.
We're going to have that. If you had some water and peanuts on your flight out, we might have some of those available. There's there's a number of fun things mixed into all of that.
Marco Ciappelli: That will, you know, the other thing is that you So embed in our everyday life, right? You know, this is not the time of Panham anymore, where it was such a luxury to fly to maybe a better, more of a pleasure than what it is now, really, uh, personal experience coming back from Europe.
But, uh, apart from that, I mean, all you're doing, it's amazing. I am always excited. And, but, but I know that maybe there is a couple more bragging that we can do here to tease Lillian about who will be some of the speakers you want to highlight. Somebody that is going to be there before we, we say goodbye.
Lillian Ash Baker: Yeah, I think one great person to tease, um, as we had mentioned, um, Sage Meadows from Cal Poly. Um, I always like to try to bring up a lot of the university students, um, because it really. It's important to bring some of their work out of just papers and publications and onto a stage in front of other people.
Uh, we have a really interesting, um, talk that's going to be on the main stage, but also in the village, uh, from Paz Himiri, uh, about, um, weather balloon radio songs. Um, that they use in order to do, uh, weather measurements, um, from different balloons and so he's going to talk about the signals and how you can go about spoofing or protections schemes therein.
Um, that's going to be really great. Um, Edom Cologne from TSA is going to be doing the cybersecurity briefing about the ground equipment. I know everybody loves to hate it. And so there's going to be some discussions about that. Might as well learn how it works.
Steve Luczynski: And the beauty is Lillian has lined it up, so you get your national cyber director team talking about the space side of things.
When I talk to the TSA administrator, followed right by the, let's talk about the TSA screening equipment. So a nice flow of everything right there on Friday afternoon.
Lillian Ash Baker: Yeah, we try to capture everyone in at one point. Just gets you sitting down for a couple hours.
Steve Luczynski: Uh, yeah, and then the other talks, I know, uh, so we're working on Viasat.
And it's working on in the sense of they're either going to be main stage or both main stage and with us. Uh, so, uh, and for folks who may be going to Black Hat, they're speaking there also. So again, it's not just the fact of hearing them, but it's, you're in a smaller setting. And when you want to talk to those folks afterwards and get up close and one on one, uh, being able to have them there is absolutely something we want to do.
Uh, Chris Roberts is coming in. Pete Cooper, one of our co founders early on. Is going to do a talk with him, uh, and his work at boom, uh, aircraft now. So looking forward to that, like I mentioned, also that five year retrospective. And then, uh, again, just it's the variety of things and the fact that we have.
Uh, a student who's going to an Air Force school that's coming and doing a talk. We have a researcher from Sandia National Labs who did some work on a, uh, aircraft that is also applicable in what he's, uh, bringing in as it relates to space cybersecurity. Pentest Partners is always one of our strongest partners.
They're there. They're hosting a happy hour. Uh, I think it's Friday evening, Lillian, is that correct? Uh, talks about their work on aircraft cybersecurity. Uh, and then, you know, of course the happy hour that doesn't hurt. So yeah, just a variety of things there. And I will do another shameless plug. We will have another badge for sale.
Uh, we'll space it out. So Friday and Saturday mornings, we're going to have this year's badge. Our badge guy, Dan Allen knocked it out of the park. Once again, there's actually two badges. The one that's DEF CON, uh, between him and our artist friend, another Dan at Fly Surreal. Uh, another great badge.
activities, puzzles, things on on it like you have seen before and just what he naturally creates. But we'll have those available. And then for folks who are following us on Twitter, we have a donation badge of right flyer again, celebrating not just Five years of us. That's a big deal. The other big celebration is 120 years since the Wright Flyers first flight.
So, uh, again, those Dan created a badge and, uh, it is just awesome. So another one out of your collection. Because one wasn't enough. That's right. That's right. Couldn't decide on one to make. That's right. One is the awesome donation. One's an amazing donation. That's right. We're giving lots of opportunities.
You really, you can't stop him. He's addicted to it. And he's good at it. And then the other thing is you'll see the number of SAOs that Whatever we decide as a group we're going to do and then 20 more show up because people just love it And and they're awesome and i'm like, yeah, let's let's keep making them because they're fun.
I'm guilty of that Another one that's been hooked exactly
Marco Ciappelli: Well, so I I want to just and then and then we close here and i'll have uh, sean which is way better than me to to do the call to action for you guys, but I just want people that are listening or watching right now to understand that this vibe here is Is the vibe But it's, you know, multiplied by a million that you get in the village and is the excitement.
I mean, we were there for the RSA conference, and that's the last time we saw each other. And it was even before it started. And Sean was there later. But it's like, you know, we get to talk to everybody. Everybody is so happy to be there Everybody is so excited the folks of boeing the folks of ccube and all of you guys are just like what?
It's like you don't get paid. Why are you doing it? Because you There is so much value and let's face it. You're having fun, too So oh my people can talk to you and you guys are gonna be so excited to talk to them It's not a it's not a presentation that's the village the idea of the village is that you are in there and this applies to Every other village, by the way.
Sean Martin: So, and the village is global. We actually saw Coops, Pete Cooper in, in, uh,
Steve Luczynski: I think that's the thing. And you hit on it, Marco is this is not paid. This is so much fun. The extra time, like Lillian said, right, this is not our day job, we'll work extra today to make up for time that we're happy to spend here, uh, the time that we're doing things out there, it is a happy group, it is such a around the world group, uh, the range of, again, young, old, new, very experienced, uh, we've got commercial pilots, we've got old guy pilots, uh, government folks, industry folks, all of that, that's our volunteers, that's our audience.
And so it's easy because these are the people we want to cater to and meet what they're asking for. And I think that's what makes the hard work everybody puts in and then the fun that they have on the backside. Hopefully that's very obvious. I'm not even, hopefully it is very obvious. And I know, uh, you know, that's what our folks enjoy doing.
It's inescapable.
Sean Martin: He can't, uh, he can't avoid it once you walk in. That's right. That's right. So I'm, I'm excited to, uh, To see and hear how it all, all plays out again, August 13th in Las Vegas. That's the weekend following Black Hat. Uh, so it's part of DEF CON. Those few days there, I encourage everybody. I mean, it's an experience.
If you haven't been. You, you must, and if you have, uh, you already know it's, it's amazing. And, uh, it continues to be. So thank you, Steve and Lillian for all that you do and, and to all the others that support you and that you support in, uh, in making this possible and, uh, to the badge makers who get the donations, you can actually pay for the stuff because the, the room.
You have to pay for the room and all the gear. So, um, of course we'll, for those listening and watching, we'll include links to, uh, aerospace village. org where you can check out, uh, once it's live, all of the, all the panels and discussions and the fireside chats and, uh, other activities that are taking place there.
And, uh, and links to Steve and Lillian's bio. So you can connect with them as well.
Steve Luczynski: Absolutely.
Sean Martin: And, uh, with that, um, not officially part of our black cat coverage, but it's hard to disconnect the two. Um, but we, we have a lot going on that week and, uh, it would be a huge mistake on our part to not chat with you.
So thanks. Thanks for joining us.
Steve Luczynski: Thank you for the time as always.
Marco Ciappelli: Bye bye.